Becoming a Certified Coach: A Conversation with Dr. Kari Morgenstein

Have you ever wanted to take your career to a new level?  Do you feel stuck in your personal and professional life?  Take a listen to the latest episode of empowEAR Audiology with guest Dr. Kari Morgenstein.  Kari is the co-founder of dB Coaching group which focuses on championing and supporting healthcare professionals so they can thrive in their personal and professional lives. Dr. Morgenstein has utilized her life experiences including audiology to implement her passion for supporting women in medicine and challenging the status quo.  Dr. Morgenstein is an experienced, genuine, and goal-oriented certified coach and speaker.  Take a listen to how hiring a certified coach can challenge you as a client in a thought-providing, creative process to maximize your personal and professional potential.  

For more information about Dr. Kari Morgenstein and her Coaching group visit:   https://dbcoachinggroup.com/

The airing of this episode also marks the beginning of 2024. This episode however was recorded a little while back with Dr. Kari Morgenstein. This episode actually motivated me to sign up for an energy leadership assessment and personal coaching session with Kari. Wow, what an insightful investment to dive deeper into ensuring that I am at the cause, rather than the effect of my life. These sessions with Dr. Morgenstein propelled me into exploring becoming a certified coach. As you listen to this episode; take inventory of YOU.  A certified coach can help you redefine your career goal or personal goal, overcome obstacles, help you clarify and make difficult decisions, increase leadership and energy, and become confident as well as develop deep self-knowledge and awareness. Tune in today with Dr. Kari Morgenstein and stay tuned for future empowEAR audiology episodes as I will be sharing my coaching journey!

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Transcript

Announcer: [00:00:00] Welcome to episode 63 of empowEAR Audiology with Dr. Carrie Spangler.

Carrie: [00:00:14] Welcome to the empowEAR Audiology podcast, a production of the 3C Digital Media Network. I am your host, Dr. Carrie Spangler, a passionate, deaf and hard of hearing audiologist. Each episode will bring an empowering message surrounding audiology and beyond. Thank you for spending time with me today and let's get started with today's episode. The airing of this episode also marks the beginning of 2024. Happy New Year, everyone! This episode that you will be listening to was recorded a little while back with Dr. Kari Morgenstein. This episode actually motivated me to sign up for her energy leadership, assessment and personal coaching session. Wow, what an insightful investment to dive deeper into ensuring that I am the cause rather than the effect of my life. These sessions with Dr. Morgenstein also propelled me into exploring becoming a certified coach. As you listen to this episode today, take inventory of you. A certified coach can help you redefine your career goal or personal goal, overcome obstacles, help you clarify and make difficult decisions, increase leadership and energy, and become confident as well as develop deep self knowledge and awareness. Tune in today with Dr. Kari Morgenstein and stay tuned for future empowEAR Audiology episodes as I will be sharing my coaching journey as well. Okay, before we dive into today's episode, I wanted to take a moment to give everyone a background about my guest that I have today, Dr. Kari Morgenstein.

Carrie: [00:02:08] Dr. Kari Morgenstein is an experienced, genuine, and goal oriented certified coach and speaker. She received her coaching certification from the Institute for Professional Excellence in Coaching, or iPEC, and is a master practitioner of the Energy Leadership Index Assessment. Dr. Morgenstein is the co-owner of DB coaching Group with over 15 years of experience teaching, mentoring, presenting and coaching and her coaching group, she helps early career to mid-career health care professionals find their voice so that they can lead with confidence, courage and she began her career at the University of Miami Department of Otolaryngology as the founding director of the University of Miami Children's Hearing Program. Under her leadership, she designed, developed, and led a multidisciplinary team of healthcare hearing healthcare professionals. In this role, she managed a multi-million dollar budget while gaining international recognition. Dr. Morgenstein was the youngest individual to have served as the president of the Florida Academy of Audiology, and sit on the American Academy of Audiology Board of Directors. She is a proud member of Women in Academic Medicine, and was chosen in 2019 to attend the AAMC Early Career Women Faculty Leadership Development Seminar. Dr. Morgenstein has a passion for supporting women in medicine and challenging the status quo. I am so excited to have you today. Thank you for joining me.

Kari: [00:03:52] Oh, I'm so happy to be here. Thank you for having me.

Carrie: [00:03:56] Well, I love your passion statement, supporting women in medicine and challenging the status quo. And that's another reason I'm excited that you're going to be on the EmpowEAR Audiology podcast. And I'm sure all of the guests listening today will really enjoy everything that you have to say. But as I read in your bio, one of the things that you started out as a career in audiology and I just love to hear how people somehow get started in that direction. Do you have a story behind that?

Kari: [00:04:32] Yeah, I do have, um, I do have a little bit of a story. So, you know, just like many people, I was trying to figure it out in undergrad. And, um, at the time, I really knew that I wanted to help people. Um, from a very young age, I knew that I wanted to be in a profession that helped, um, others, whether that was children or adults. And, um, you know, so through that one thing kind of led me to another. And I was at home in Chicago and was able to do, uh, shadow a pediatric audiologist. Um, her name is actually Beth Dr. Beth Tournis at um Children's Hospital of Chicago. And I give her a shout out because she she forever changed my life. Um, I was able to shadow her for a couple days. She was mostly pediatrics, a little bit of, you know, audios and hearing aids, and then a lot of cochlear implants. And just getting to see a kid hear for the first time, and how it has the ability to forever change the life not only of the child, but also of the parents and the extended family. Um, I was sold, I was I was like, I, you know, I could do this. And I was super excited about it. So I'm forever grateful that, you know, they let me come in and observe. And that Dr. Tournis was so willing to let me learn and just be a part of her days for a couple days.

Carrie: [00:06:12] Well. Wow. And then you landed in Florida, obviously, and had a career at, um, with children who have hearing needs too in Florida. So how long were you there?

Kari: [00:06:28] Yes, I did my graduate work at University of Florida and then did my last year externship at the University of Miami, and I was there for about ten years. I ran and directed the children's hearing program there, and, uh, it was awesome. It was a really neat opportunity. I was able to step into leadership early in my career, which had it was amazing and awesome, and it had its own struggles. So it was really, really neat to be a part of a large university and to just be part of such a well rounded, incredibly smart, amazingly supportive team.

Carrie: [00:07:17] And I'm sure all of those stepping stones in your early career with leadership kind of got you to where you are now. And in your bio, you mentioned that you're a full time with DB coaching group and that you wear many hats in your own family. You're a survivor of several life threatening health conditions. You're a former Division one college athlete. You're a TEDx speaker alum, and a recovering workaholic, as you call it. Did any of these personal characteristics, characteristics that you mentioned with you and your website lead you to pursue what you're doing now, which is coaching?

Kari: [00:08:01] I, I think yeah, it's a good question. I think in many ways, um, for all of us, like our, our past experiences, especially our past hardships, often mold and shape the direction that our lives lead. Um. And I was no different. I, um, I think a big part of, uh, for me was being always an athlete. Um, growing up, I was always involved in athletics, went on to Indiana University to play college volleyball. And it was through that experience that I, I remember at any given time, just having six, seven coaches surrounding me, and there was coaches there for conditioning and strength and your mental health and you know, your your specialty coach. Right? So if you play defense, you had a specialty coach, then you had the head coach. And it just felt like an environment that was so rich in supports and, um, grace and compassion and also people there that were willing to challenge you to make you better. And when I got into the real world. I guess I was a little naive because I felt like, yeah, like this, this sports bubble is going to be, you know, in, in, in the real world. And I remember just kind of like looking around and being like, wait, like, where are my coaches? Like, where are my people? And I remember thinking that like, wow, like this is really hard to navigate without a coach, without a playbook, without kind of guidelines to, you know, boundaries to kind of work within. And then you had mentioned I, I battled a few health conditions that were life threatening. And I think through that experience, you just see the world completely different, you know, for good or bad. And I remember through one of the conditions I was battling, um.

Kari: [00:10:23] A colleague had a coach and part of that part of that of having a coach. The coach, um, met with me and talked to me just to get input. And I'll never forget, she said to me, like, have you ever thought about coaching? And I was just sitting there like, no, I'm just trying to get through the day, you know? Like, I am just trying to survive. Like you have no idea, like what's going on in my life right now, like coaching? And I remember getting off the phone with her and saying to my husband, like, do you know that there's like, professional coaches? Like it's not just, you know, on a field or arena or a court, like there are people that are coaching professionals. And I remember thinking, gosh, two things. Gosh, that makes so much sense. And the second thing I thought is, could I do that full time? Because that sounds amazing. And, you know, through my illnesses, it was just always it was always on my mind. And then I, you know, I, I when I got healthier and stronger, I looked into different programs. And that's kind of what led me to IPEC and, uh, started the coaching group with my business partner, Dr. Amy Badstuber. And it's it's just been so much fun and such a neat experience. And so, yeah, I think the answer is, yeah. Like my lived experiences being an athlete, battling health issues, having different leadership roles early in my career, and then also being a mom and transitioning to that role and wearing that hat. I think all of it kind of led me to where I am today.

Carrie: [00:12:11] Yeah, that makes so much sense about your college career and coaching and having all of these people supporting you. And then you get out into the real world and you're like, wait, I need to have these people to kind of get me to the next level or to keep me going and whatever path I want to go, or thinking bigger however that might be. And I feel that coaching is really kind of a growing certification or a career pathway in different areas. Can you you you mentioned professional coaching and can you just maybe share a broaden a little bit more about how professionals and individuals might view coaching? Because I think what you said coaching typically you think about athletes, right? But you don't think about, oh, wait, there's a whole other world out there that people can benefit from coaching.

Kari: [00:13:10] Yeah, totally. I always I always say this line, I always say professional athletes have coaches. Professionals need coaches. and the so coaching really you're right Carrie. It really has taken um it's become more popular and it's become almost like a buzzword that people talk about. Or some companies, you know, say, oh, we offer coaching. Um, and I think it's important to recognize that. True coaching is very different than, let's say, consulting or mentorship. Um, so consulting, right. It serves a purpose. It's great. But it's really hey, here's a roadmap. This is how you're going to do it. And here's our advice. Mentoring also serves a purpose, right? I have incredible mentors that supported me and my career and still support me. But the issue that can happen with mentors is that sometimes it's a let me show you how I did it and hey, come with me, which can be okay and it can be really helpful. But if your path and your desires and your interests are a little bit different than your mentor, that can be kind of how you go on a path that might not be a good fit for you. Um, and then the other one that gets thrown in with coaching a lot of times is therapy or counseling, and that is a bit different too, than, than coaching.

Kari: [00:14:41] Um, therapy really is something that kind of stays in your past. It looks at your your past experiences. What about your past is showing up today. It often takes people from dysfunctional to functional and with true coaching, the coaching that we do with our group, it really gets at the core of who you are today and where you want to be tomorrow. And the neat thing about coaching is that it's a true partnership so we don't guide it. We're not telling you do this, do that. It's really having that person to ask the right questions, ask the tough questions so that you can kind of go inside and say, hey, you know what? For the first time, I'm listening to myself, my heart, my head, and I'm choosing to move forward a certain way. And so coaching, they often say, takes people from functional, right? They're they're doing pretty good. They're functional and makes them more optimal. So that idea of taking someone good to great. Hmm.

Carrie: [00:15:53] I love that and I, I think I know your answer, but why? Or who should get a coach or want a coach?

Kari: [00:16:05] I mean, obviously everyone.

Carrie: [00:16:08] I thought that was going to be your answer.

Kari: [00:16:12] You know, and we laugh about it and we joke about it. But man, like, it's so true. Like, everyone could benefit from a coach. Um, you know, I guess I guess there's three things that stand out to me. Um, I think besides everyone, I think somebody who's. Looking to be to show up, like to just show up in their life and show up authentically and show up in a raw form. And it's just like, okay, bringing all of themselves to the session or to the appointment, the good, the bad, the otherwise right. They're just ready to, to be, to, to show up all of themselves. They don't want to put a mask on anymore. They really want to dig deep and show up. Um, I think the second thing is someone who is just open to growing. You know, I think a lot of times lately we hear about this growth mindset. And for me, it's just having the ability to to have the courage to self-reflect because my goodness, it is way easier in this world to just go, go, go work, work, work and not stop and think about your feelings, your emotions, your actions. It is your thoughts. It is so much easier to just hit fast forward and go, go, go. I'll worry about that later. I'll worry about that later.

Kari: [00:17:54] That's not my problem. I worry about it later. And so I think someone who's ready to have a mirror held to them, which is not always easy, you know, and to do to do the work of reflecting and being willing and open to grow. And then I think the third thing is they're ready to accept a partnership. You know, we know in health care that there's many professions, one of which is audiology that is dominated by women. And women often struggle with asking for help and asking for support. And so it seems like such a. Simple thing, but we often have clients that'll say, like, I just had a client last week who said to me, wow, for the first time in my career. I'm asking for support, and it finally feels like I'm not alone in my career. And so I think someone who's ready to accept that support and they don't have to be like, oh my God, I'm ready, you know, let's do this. Yeah. Give me all the help. But just like has an openness to it that like getting support and having a partnership in your career and your leadership journey and your transitions that happen in your life and in your career. They're open to getting support and collaborating in a true partnership that is coaching. Mm.

Carrie: [00:19:33] That's a great explanation of the everyone but drilling down to really, who you know, may benefit being open and ready to kind of, um, have that mirror held to them. Is that the person that you've probably looking for in that partnership? So if there's someone who's out there who's listening and thinking, yeah, maybe this is something that would be beneficial for me. Can you share what maybe a coaching session might look like or how does that work?

Kari: [00:20:09] You want to do one now?

Carrie: [00:20:12] We could I don't know how good it would be. Yeah.

Kari: [00:20:15] We'll do that for the next podcast.

Carrie: [00:20:17] Okay. There you go.

Kari: [00:20:19] Um, yeah. What does it look like? So. Logistically it is typically 60 minutes. We um, with our coaching group, we have two different programs. Um, we have a program that's three months or 12 sessions and then a program that's six months, 24 sessions. And the reason that it's the three month or six month commitment is that it in order to see sustainable changes for yourself, it's really requires a good amount of sessions, you know, to look at things, to kind of pull back the layers and get to that core of what your blocks are, what your limiting beliefs are, what your assumptions are. Because we all show up with filters and baggage that we see the world with. And coaching, you really need that time and that commitment to identify those blocks and those limiting beliefs and to break through them. Um. Outside of the logistics. And of course, we have people who are like, I just want to work on this problem. And so we offer some smaller opportunities where there's 2 or 3 sessions where we might do an assessment and then offer 2 or 3 sessions. And that's really for people who are like, I have a meeting in a month. And I, you know, I want to ask for a promotion. Can you support me with that? So it's really specific to a specific issue or problem that they want to work through. And then, like each session, looks a little different. The client really guides the sessions and what's on their mind, what's showing up for them personally, professionally. And it's kind of becomes this harmony, this like beautiful, beautiful song that just comes together with the client and with the coach, and you just harmonize through your journey together to figure out how you can best support them to achieve whatever their goals may be.

Carrie: [00:22:27] Mhm.And how do you is there ever like a determination of who would be a good client or that kind of thing. I know the harmony and I can't imagine anybody not clicking with you because you have this personality that just shines. And I feel like I could just spill out anything to you right now, and you would be such a great listener. But I'm sure there's just different personalities. And how does that work?

Kari: [00:22:58] Oh, that's a great question, Carrie. So we do, um, we do offer, uh, complimentary, uh, 45 minute intro call. And in that, in that call, like, we can, we can figure out, you know, is coaching right for that person? Um, maybe they need some other support. Maybe coaching is not the right fit for them. Um, and then, like you said, you know, if there's. You know, different. You know, everyone has different styles, right? Just like different athletes click and resonate with different coaches, right? I know even for me there's some coaches I had that like it just it just worked. You know it was I appreciated the how they gave me feedback. Um, I appreciated the way that they they connected with me, the way that they coached me. And so you yeah, you see that a little bit with clients as well where maybe it's not a great fit. Um, but I most of the time, people that reach out and jump on these intro calls with us, most of the time it does work, it does click. And the reason for that I think, is, well, two things. Um, we're unique. We have more than one coach, so we have myself and Amy. And so Amy and I are both different, right? She has a different personality than me. And so maybe they click with her and they don't click with me. So we're really unique that it's not just one person. If they feel more connected with her or they feel like her skill set might be better for them, then she can see them, or I can see them, you know, vice versa. And so we're really, really unique in that sense that most of the time, like whether it's either a good fit for me or it's a good fit for Amy. And like I was saying, most people that jump on these calls like they're ready, you know, they're just they're tired of feeling drained and overwhelmed and anxious and they're ready to show up with having more peace in their life, finding more joy, and not being that workaholic that I can so relate to.

Carrie: [00:25:13] That. Yes, that makes a lot of sense. And I can see how when somebody sets up that 45 minute call with one of you, they've already done a lot of thinking and research, and they're just ready to take that next step. So I can see how that would click really quickly to. In your bio, you also mention that you are a master practitioner of the Energy Leadership Index Index. How does that play into your coaching?

Kari: [00:25:46] It is. It is plays in a ton. Um, so the ELI so the Energy Leadership Index is a really cool, really powerful assessment. It's different than a personality test. So I think many of us are used to personality tests, maybe a disk or a Myers-Briggs. And it's different because this is an attitude test. So it looks at the attitude and the filters that you show up with on a day to day basis. And then what's really cool is it shows how you show up and what energy you bring when you're under stress.

Carrie: [00:26:36] Mm.

Kari: [00:26:37] And what's really important about having this assessment for us in our coaching group is that we know that many people in health care are kind of living in that constant state of stress.

Carrie: [00:26:49] Mhm.

Kari: [00:26:50] And so we, we care of course, how you're showing up on day to day. But we really want to know how you're showing up under stress and what stress is doing to your energy and to your attitude. And the other thing that's really neat about this assessment is that, you know, with a personality and you have kids Carrie like I think in a lot of ways, like they're just kind of born with their personality. Wouldn't you agree?

Carrie: [00:27:18] Like, oh yeah, both my kids are so different. And I'm like, they've been raised but under the same roof. But I'm like, they definitely were born with their personality too. They're enhanced by us, but they're definitely different kids.

Kari: [00:27:38] Mhm I love that I love that word enhance right. You're right. So like it's almost like a work with approach. Mhm. Right. Like this is your personality. Like let me do all that I can do to enhance that. And so. Well, it's it's kind of difficult with a personality test. You're like, well, that's your personality. And like, we're going to do our best as the, the, the leader here to kind of work with your personality and enhance it, like you said. And the neat thing about attitude is that we can all change the way that we it's a choice, right? The attitude that we show up with on a day to day is a constant choice. And so what's neat about the ELI and the debriefs that we do is that it just you just gain a lot of awareness, a lot of clarity about how you're showing up. And then you can choose if you want to change that. And so we're, we're, we're it's a really, really, really neat, really powerful assessment. And. Yeah, it's. I can't say enough about it.

Carrie: [00:28:43] Well, I know that you had put that bug in my ear a while ago about the, um. ELI. And you're making me excited to, uh, connect with you about doing that and kind of pulling, seeing what filters I have and what I bring to stressful situations. Because, as you said, in health care and in our jobs, we just are under the, you know, like under a lot of stress. And what you said earlier, we don't take the time to think about anything. We just kind of get up and go and never have that reflection time. So I'm sure that shows up too, within the assessment, too, of how we look at life.

Kari: [00:29:31] Absolutely. I'm ready for you. Let me know.

Carrie: [00:29:33]  I know you are. I know you are. We'll set this up for sure. This would be like a whole another reveal after, um, see what's happening. But I know that you said that it's Amy, right? Is your, um, the other coach. And tell me a little bit about your name. Do you dB coaching group and where did that come from?

Kari: [00:29:57] So D is my married last name. So Dermer and Amy's last name is Badstubner. So there's the D, there's the B, but it's of course lowercase and capital like decibel. And it's done on purpose. We both Amy and I met in graduate school at University of Florida, and Amy went on to, um, build and run her own audiology practice, which she recently successfully sold. And I obviously had a very fruitful, amazing career in audiology on the academic university side. And it was really important as we were creating our business, to have a tribute to audiology and kind of where we came from. And for me, I'm forever grateful for all the people in audiology that shaped me as a person and as a professional and ones that continue to to I mean, just last week I was talking to a mentor of mine, um, and, and it was just really important to both of us to just kind of give a shout out to where we came from and to not lose our connection with audiology, which, as you know, is such an amazing profession and has given me so, so much. And then the last thing was dream big. And I think, Carrie, when we first started, I think you said like think big.

Carrie: [00:31:27] Mhm.

Kari: [00:31:29] Um, which I was like, oh like I totally yeah think big, dream big. You know, Amy and I live by that. We really try to challenge each other within our business and on our team to challenge the status quo. To what? No idea is too big, no thought is too crazy and just kind of see where it lands. You know, life is too short to play small and to, you know, be timid. And so it's a reminder of, hey, you know, building a business might be hard. It has its own ups and downs, but never to forget that dreaming big is important.

Carrie: [00:32:11] I love that with it. Keeping your roots in audiology with the with the name, and then having a partner that happened to be in grad school with you. So that is so cool. And I know on your web page you and within your bio, you said you focused a lot on supporting those early career to mid-career professionals in healthcare. Why did you kind of use that as a focus?

Kari: [00:32:40] I think it was, you know. I think because that was the area that we found that we needed the most support, and it wasn't always available or easy to find. I think that group is interesting. Um, you know, early career, you're trying to figure things out. You're trying to figure out your professional fingerprint, mid-career. Sometimes your personal life changes, things get a little crazy, and that might show up professionally and I think. It's a group that needs a lot of support. There's a lot of things happening, a lot of transitions, again, personally in people's lives or professionally and or professionally. And Amy and I really wanted to be support to that group and make sure that. You know, I don't believe that you need to learn things the hard way. A lot of people say that, that you just got to figure it out yourself and that you got to figure things out the hard way. And it's I don't believe that. And so I think that if you know someone is in their early career or mid-career and just trying to figure it out, if we can make it a little bit easier, that feels incredibly rewarding. Mm.

Carrie: [00:34:20] Do you have any other target groups that you have besides health care professionals? And I know you like women is a big part of of your group too. And supporting women who are in leadership positions too. But outside of that, do you have focuses?

Kari: [00:34:37] Yeah. We're really focused right now on health care. You know, there's such a need, especially post-pandemic. We have clients that range from nurses to audiologists to speech language pathologists to physicians. And there's a lot of patterns, you know, that they're showing up with. And there's a ton of burnout and a ton of just kind of reflection happening. And so for right now, our group is really focused on health care. You know, who knows, maybe in a year from now or two years from now, you know, Amy and I have different interests and different passions. We both have pretty diverse backgrounds and we have ideas in mind. Um, but for right now, we're really focused on supporting those early career and mid-career professionals in healthcare.

Carrie: [00:35:29] Well, that's where your dB comes back into play, right? Your dream big.

Kari: [00:35:34] Exactly.

Carrie: [00:35:36] If listeners wanted to get connected where they're like, hey, this sounds like something I would like to explore or get more information about, how can they get in touch with you or with Amy?

Kari: [00:35:49] Yes. So they can go to our website. Our website is dB coaching Group. Com, or you can find us on LinkedIn. Uh, I'm on LinkedIn. Kari Morgenstein Dermer, you can send us a message. Um, Amy, is Amy Badstubner. Um, and you can send her a message. We love just talking to people. You know, we do, like virtual coffee dates and things like that. And, you know, I really encourage any of your listeners that if they just are, they just want to chat or want to hash something out, or they heard about coaching, but they don't really know what coaching is and they want to just talk about it, reach out. We're we're we're super available. We want to have conversations. It's really fun to meet new people. And, um, yeah, just send us a message and we're we would love to connect.

Carrie: [00:36:42] Well, I can definitely link the website or the your website in the show notes too Kari. Is there anything that I forgot to ask you that you were hoping I would ask you?

Kari: [00:36:56] No, I think you covered it all. It was so fun. It was so good to talk to you.

Carrie: [00:37:01] Thank you. I'm so glad that we had this conversation. And I'm sure there are a ton of listeners out there who are just feeling that burnout, whether it's if they're the healthcare or the schools or whatever. But as professionals who are, um, in this focus in speech and hearing, who just really want to kind of see what their next step might be or just kind of make it a little bit easier. And I hope that they reach out to you guys. So I just want to say I am amazed at what you guys have done to, um, with dB coaching and just kind of, you know, taking, I guess, that, um, dream big that you both had together and just making a move and, and going in that direction. I know that takes a lot of courage too. But obviously it was the right thing for both of you and how exciting to kind of have your roots in audiology, but really go in another direction to, to to help more people in a different way. So thanks for all that you do.

Kari: [00:38:08] Oh, absolutely. That's so kind of you. Thank you. Thank you for all you do, Carrie. You're incredible. And yeah, and you're changing so many lives. So I'm really grateful for the opportunity and to be able to chat.

Carrie: [00:38:21] All right. Well, thank you, listeners for listening to the Empower Ideology podcast, and I hope that you will visit Dr. Kari Morgenstein at her website and reach out to her in the future. Thank you.

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